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Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/16/2020 9:47 pm
I dont have a problem with it....some of it is offensive play calling (i.e. too many long pass plays) and the last game featured a QB with 14 speed.
Last edited at 6/16/2020 10:01 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By setherick
6/16/2020 10:27 pm
Smirt211 wrote:
It's a delicate balance. Some may get intoxicated with it and then I'd think it would open them up to punishing runs against them.



The punishing runs piece is why I don't like to play 237# guys in the interior positions. I assume that they can handle the outside rush, but they are going to get eaten by a double with a lot of strong side runs if they are at the DT.

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By setherick
6/20/2020 2:50 pm
I said I would update this post and talk about how I'm punishing teams by putting them in spots where they fall back to long passes, but I don't have time right now.

Fred has pointed out on the other thread that teams need to switch to short passes to combat the 46 Heavy pass rush, and I definitely agree.

One of the reasons why I've leaned into the play in my defensive rotation, though, is how well it does against the plays that spread the field and throw underneath and how well it does against the Hitch.

Here's some data that shows what I mean:



This data comes out of a shared database, and I didn't pre-filter it to just my teams. Still it shows a good way of thinking about the value of the 46.
Last edited at 6/20/2020 2:52 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/20/2020 2:52 pm
setherick wrote:
I said I would update this post and talk about how I'm punishing teams by putting them in spots where they fall back to long passes, but I don't have time right now.

Fred has pointed out on the other thread that teams need to switch to short passes to combat the 46 Heavy pass rush, and I definitely agree.

One of the reasons why I've leaned into the play in my defensive rotation, though, is how well it does against the plays that spread the field and throw underneath and how well it does against the Hitch.

Here's some data that shows what I mean:



This data comes out of a shared database, and I didn't pre-filter it to just my teams. Still it shows a good way of thinking about the value of the 46.


Nvm
Last edited at 6/20/2020 2:52 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By setherick
6/20/2020 2:52 pm
It's fixed. I forgot the imgur format.

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/20/2020 2:54 pm
sorta ironic its called 46 heavy

That data is with 237 linebackers playing the front or no.
Last edited at 6/20/2020 2:56 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By setherick
6/20/2020 2:56 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
sorta ironic its called 46 heavy


Uh ... no. It's called 46 heavy because it's in the 46 meaning the SS is playing parallel with the LB, and the SLB rotates to the line. And it's called Heavy because it puts 3 down lineman inside in the tackles.
Last edited at 6/20/2020 2:58 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/20/2020 2:58 pm
setherick wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
sorta ironic its called 46 heavy


Uh ... no. It's called 46 heavy because it's in the 46 meaning the SS is playing parallel with the LB, and the SLB rotates to the line. And it's called Heavy because it puts 3 down lineman within in the hash.


Who is playing the front....LB DE or DT?

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/20/2020 3:02 pm
A DE (276#) at the nose flanked by a DE (276#) and a LB (237#) with another DE (276#) offset to the right on the front.
Last edited at 6/20/2020 3:05 pm

Re: McKeon, Sacks, 212 Passes, and the 46

By Cjfred68
6/20/2020 3:14 pm
Its called the 46 because that was Doug Planks jersey number when the Bears used this defensive set under Buddy Ryan.

The 46 defense was an innovative defense with a unique defensive front, designed to confuse and put pressure on the opposing offense, especially their quarterback. Compared to a 4-3 base defense, the 46 dramatically shifts the defensive line to the weak side (the opposite end from the offense's tight end), with both guards and the center "covered" by the left defensive end and both defensive tackles. This front forced offenses to immediately account for the defenders lined up directly in front of them, making it considerably harder to execute blocking assignments such as pulling, trapping and pass protection in general. 
Last edited at 6/20/2020 3:15 pm