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Re: Dead Cap Reset

By IoanBlood
4/27/2022 1:38 am
I'm not an expert in these things, but my opinion is to clear a new owner's dead cap up to the needed space to sign his draft picks and not to a fixed point.
I don't know whether an admin can see this or not.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/27/2022 1:43 am
IoanBlood wrote:
I'm not an expert in these things, but my opinion is to clear a new owner's dead cap up to the needed space to sign his draft picks and not to a fixed point.
I don't know whether an admin can see this or not.


Interesting point. I'd love to find out but I don't want to even press that button once until I know what it's gonna do, and idk anyone who has used it yet. Does it clear all dead cap, or can we choose the amount?

Maybe someone can test it out on an AI team somewhere.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By PrivateSnowflake
4/27/2022 6:09 am
Just my two cents, but you should ask first before you reset the cap of a new owner. Back when this game was fun, I would seek out the worst situations to rebuild.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By ArmoredGiraffe
4/27/2022 6:56 am
Yeah I think it should only be for new owners when their dead cap is either above 33% of the total cap, or the team is unable to sign draft picks while having dead cap larger than the needed amount to sign the picks.

I don't think people should just get a free reset just because they can, only because the amount is massive enough to sign FA or not allowing a team to sign draft picks. The Outlaws had $150 mil dead cap one off season but I still signed my picks and signed a few starters in FA

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By Cjfred68
4/27/2022 7:19 am
Pittsburgh is an interesting case study because Qwex has traded away 11 players since taking ownership for draft picks. That's where a bunch of his dead cap is coming from.

It might be possible to get a ballpark figure from each players transaction page about the amount of dead cap he incurred.

I did some forensic accounting for all 11 players, meaning I went to each players transaction page to see the amount they signed for on their last contract then extrapolating from their remaining base salary due...I was able to estimate the amount of bonus that Pittsburgh ate as dead cap as a result of trading them.

The estimated dead cap incurred by Pittsburgh for all 11 players was 92 million with some of that being dead cap this season and the rest as dead cap next season.

The bottom line is a rough estimate of dead cap this season is 25 million and next years dead cap is 65 million which were directly incurred by Qwex via those trades.

EXAMPLE






Thus player signed a 5 year/85 million dollar contract at the end of 1998. You can figure out the 5th years base salary by added 5% then you add the 5 years base salary and subtract it from total contract which equals a total bonus of 40,655,360.

That divided by 5 equals the yearly bonus which is 8,131,072.

Pittsburgh would have incurred 8.1 million this season in dead cap and 24.3 million in dead cap next season for Thus player.

Do this x10 more players and you get the total amount.

92.0

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By MoonPygg
4/27/2022 9:53 am
Just wondering why no one responded to my opinion. Was it that far out of left field? Let me get this straight. I can remake my team so that i have enough first round picks in three years to field starting squads on both offense and defense and second rounders for kickers and substitutes, then have my finances wiped clean? Hmmmmmmmm. If not, then why isnt my suggestion a viable option? Im not trying to pick on anyone but this post has got me scratching my head. One thing is clear, running a team into the ground financially is bad for any league. Perhaps if there was a penalty for doing so, there would be less of it, is all im saying. Less of that happening could only make a league stronger. Im invited to leagues that are half empty with decent owners but being on the edge of shutting down is not something i want to be a part of sadly. Im in two leagues and both are full. I say lets keep them that way without giving up the integrity of honest roster building. My prior comment was an attempt to veer off in another direction yet still a pertinent and viable option to get at the POSSIBLE root of the problem by punishing careless owners is what i say. As far as folk wanting to take over a challenging franchise im thinking that for MOST of us just doing things the 'vanilla' way is challenging enough just to field a competitive team but i digress.
Last edited at 4/27/2022 10:39 am

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/27/2022 11:03 am
MoonPygg wrote:
My opinion is forgiving dead cap space is an unfair advantage to new owners also, though through no fault of their own of course. My thoughts would be more along the lines of penalizing people in some way that abandon teams that they have screwed up. Unless owner is OBVIOUSLY brand new to the game. Say a restriction to how many leagues they could be in at one time or even downright banning for a set amount of time. A lot of leagues are dying as it is i know but perhaps a strong core group of a couple hundred owners can be in four leagues each with little turnover. Just throwing things out there. To clarify i play this game for free so others may not approve of this on the grounds that pay MFN money.


You asked why nobody responded to this? Well I have no control over how many leagues someone can join. I can make a rule about it, but it would be unenforcable unless I boot people out of here for too many leagues and I'm not gonna do that.

How would I punish someone who abandons a team? They abandoned it means they left the league, thus they are out of my reach. All I can do at that point is determine if I would let them back in or not.

Your heart/mind are in the right place, as nobody likes half full leagues but I can't implement any of this.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/27/2022 11:05 am
One more thing...asking is required. I'm not gonna do it just to do it.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/27/2022 11:12 am
PrivateSnowflake wrote:
Just my two cents, but you should ask first before you reset the cap of a new owner. Back when this game was fun, I would seek out the worst situations to rebuild.


I have been doing that myself, rebuilding teams in private 75, MFN 74, UK League and I was up against the cap in all of them. Fixed them up with no cap relief, so I know it can be done.

Re: Dead Cap Reset

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/27/2022 11:16 am
From what I've read so far, here is what we have for a consensus...

1) Cap relief is for new owners only

2) The new owner must ask for cap relief, it's not automatic

3) It will only be approved if the cap situation is bad

If anyone has any objections to #1 or #2 let me know asap, otherwise I'm assuming we're all in agreement new owners must ask first.

#3 is where I see us at now, determining what makes a cap situation bad.