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Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

Starting Next Season (2000) should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

No
9
Yes
4
Non Vote so Commish can see results
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Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 2:23 pm
Waitwut wrote:
I think playing a defense full of DBs is for the essence of speed undoubtedly. I will look at that but would only think of that as an exploit if some type of those players are useless with positional stats. The RB to WR transition is only 19 pounds and at most +3 speed variation. On defense the only comparison would be safety to CB at 16 pounds or +2 speed - assuming +1 speed for every ~7 lbs. WLB to CB would be 40+ lbs from 237 to 191 - if a player is a good linebacker but with middling speed switching that player to a secondary position for the speed is a wise staregical decision, to me.

To be honest, in 4.6 you can just find fast people at RB with low to no positional value outside of their speed and do pretty well.


I need to emphasize CJ's league has no rules, so it's technically not an exploit. They do it to show specifically that the speed/weight issue has not been fixed as claimed.

While there may not be much discrepancy between weight for RB and WR, the rule is in place because that's what most people wanted. I get you don't like the rule and I hope you voted in the poll.

We have a lot of owners who have been around a long time, and perhaps they want to simply have 1 league where nobody uses light weight jack rabbits at RB.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By CrazyRazor
4/15/2022 2:40 pm
This clown apparently thinks you don't run a very tight ship.......or he just likes to blabber for the sake of blabbering.

I'm fairly certain, Waitwut, that ALL the current rules are located in the "stickied" threads for you to peruse, before you ask a bunch of ridiculously unnecessary questions.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By MoonPygg
4/15/2022 2:50 pm
raidergreg69 wrote:
Waitwut wrote:
I think playing a defense full of DBs is for the essence of speed undoubtedly. I will look at that but would only think of that as an exploit if some type of those players are useless with positional stats. The RB to WR transition is only 19 pounds and at most +3 speed variation. On defense the only comparison would be safety to CB at 16 pounds or +2 speed - assuming +1 speed for every ~7 lbs. WLB to CB would be 40+ lbs from 237 to 191 - if a player is a good linebacker but with middling speed switching that player to a secondary position for the speed is a wise staregical decision, to me.

To be honest, in 4.6 you can just find fast people at RB with low to no positional value outside of their speed and do pretty well.


I need to emphasize CJ's league has no rules, so it's technically not an exploit. They do it to show specifically that the speed/weight issue has not been fixed as claimed.

While there may not be much discrepancy between weight for RB and WR, the rule is in place because that's what most people wanted. I get you don't like the rule and I hope you voted in the poll.

We have a lot of owners who have been around a long time, and perhaps they want to simply have 1 league where nobody uses light weight jack rabbits at RB.
the wr who got TWO carries from my team has a speed of 68! I didnt know you had a rule but i personally like being able to use a reciever at the position if i have injuries. I voted nonvote because of this. Im not saying im right but personally i think its 'maddenish' to be PRIMARILY using wrs as rbs. That being said i have no problem other people using them that way. Its just not something i would do or have ever done.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 2:53 pm

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 2:53 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
This clown apparently thinks you don't run a very tight ship.......or he just likes to blabber for the sake of blabbering.

I'm fairly certain, Waitwut, that ALL the current rules are located in the "stickied" threads for you to peruse, before you ask a bunch of ridiculously unnecessary questions.


To be fair, he wasn't around when the rule was originally made and doesn't realize all these points were brought up back then.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 4:26 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
This clown apparently thinks you don't run a very tight ship.......or he just likes to blabber for the sake of blabbering.

I'm fairly certain, Waitwut, that ALL the current rules are located in the "stickied" threads for you to peruse, before you ask a bunch of ridiculously unnecessary questions.


Eat **** lame tard I clearly know where it is or I would have been listed as having used a WR to rush. Maybe you're reminding yourself where it is you dope.


Additionally I didn't say whether I liked the rule or not. Just stating very opinionated opinions. Hence I was not a violator of said rule.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 4:28 pm

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 4:30 pm
And also the comparison is bad. Speed was fixed. Fast players get places sooner to make plays period

You can't compare offense positions to defense. Their whole purpose is different. You're trying to say because cb weights 191 he is somehow better, but you're wrong to think that.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 6:28 pm
Sitting here reviewing XFL.

Smirt has the craziest roster including two way players (CB at RB) none of which are over performing. The slowest RB he has is actually running at a better clip than all other runners this season - limited snaps of course.

His MLB1 is pretty crazy but I'm willing to bet this player is purely made for the rush. However he has the skill set to be a good LB without being 191. Truth be told he is out performing other MLBs by much. Most stand out stats here are the hurries and sacks, otherwise normal. That could be play call if MLB is used heavy for blitzes. Only smirt would know. Note that WLB1 appears to be at WLB weight and SLB1 (a CB) is also not overly performing in most areas though has a good catch%, not overly good but good - likely limited snaps at this position.

CB1 and 2 have produced the most turnovers (17 combined) playing at their respective weights and positions.

Overall in team stats he is not technically better than any other team and his defense is no more superior than to other high performing defense. I think smirt is just good at game planning.

I'm going to keep looking around. I knew that was the place to start though. Hoping I get to face this squad this season.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 6:49 pm

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By CrazyRazor
4/15/2022 7:19 pm
Blabbers for the sake of blabbering. Got it!

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 7:30 pm
CrazyRazor wrote:
Blabbers for the sake of blabbering. Got it!


Ornery for?

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By IoanBlood
4/16/2022 1:22 am
raidergreg69 wrote:
Waitwut wrote:
I think playing a defense full of DBs is for the essence of speed undoubtedly. I will look at that but would only think of that as an exploit if some type of those players are useless with positional stats. The RB to WR transition is only 19 pounds and at most +3 speed variation. On defense the only comparison would be safety to CB at 16 pounds or +2 speed - assuming +1 speed for every ~7 lbs. WLB to CB would be 40+ lbs from 237 to 191 - if a player is a good linebacker but with middling speed switching that player to a secondary position for the speed is a wise staregical decision, to me.

To be honest, in 4.6 you can just find fast people at RB with low to no positional value outside of their speed and do pretty well.


I need to emphasize CJ's league has no rules, so it's technically not an exploit. They do it to show specifically that the speed/weight issue has not been fixed as claimed.

While there may not be much discrepancy between weight for RB and WR, the rule is in place because that's what most people wanted. I get you don't like the rule and I hope you voted in the poll.

We have a lot of owners who have been around a long time, and perhaps they want to simply have 1 league where nobody uses light weight jack rabbits at RB.


Just to amend here: In CJ's no-rule-league the injuries are set to 0. So in my eyes there is no real proof whether the speed issue does matter or not.