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Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

Starting Next Season (2000) should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

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Yes
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Non Vote so Commish can see results
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Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 2:17 am
I found 5 teams in violation of this rule that the entire league had a chance to vote on. We have had some ownership turnover, so maybe it's time to vote again.

Regardless of outcome, we are still playing under current rules, which means no WR should have any rushing attempts.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By MoonPygg
4/15/2022 3:19 am
raidergreg69 wrote:
I found 5 teams in violation of this rule that the entire league had a chance to vote on. We have had some ownership turnover, so maybe it's time to vote again.

Regardless of outcome, we are still playing under current rules, which means no WR should have any rushing attempts.
i think should have a provision for injuries in backfield. If only one rb is active using wr is okay but only as the backup. Then you might have to rule that a team HAS to have at least 3 RBs on roster because people being what they are will prolly try to circumvent the spirit of a rule like this. Oh well.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 3:36 am

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 5:50 am
Isn't this rule a hold over from 4.5?

I don't think I'm a violator in this league, but this rule is outdated since 4.6 addressed the speed/weight issue.

Do people get booted for not respecting this rule or is it also a rule with no teeth as to keep owners on board? Does it matter that 4.6 fixed this or do people just get shivers down their back when they see a WR was RB1 anyways?

If you enforce rules, keep them. If you don't (especially since they are "fixed"), then why not just move on? Why even go in the circles to begin with? Let alone adding provisions to a rule hahhhaha. 3.4C states that by proxy of having 3 RB, two of which have sustained injuries which will sideline for 3 weeks, I am now invoking my right to commence WR to RB1. Can we appeal?? Objection your honor!! Etc.

Who is the police man to enforce t the kangaroo court laws at which to abide? How about just before games that person changes WR to RB and the after game flips back to WR??? Huh, what now?? That is just smart I think and skirts the rules, but again who is monitoring and enforcing??

Moonpygg, you should volunteer to be the officer Barbrady!! All right nothing to see here.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 5:58 am

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 6:08 am
MoonPygg wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
I found 5 teams in violation of this rule that the entire league had a chance to vote on. We have had some ownership turnover, so maybe it's time to vote again.

Regardless of outcome, we are still playing under current rules, which means no WR should have any rushing attempts.
i think should have a provision for injuries in backfield. If only one rb is active using wr is okay but only as the backup. Then you might have to rule that a team HAS to have at least 3 RBs on roster because people being what they are will prolly try to circumvent the spirit of a rule like this. Oh well.



If there is a rule I think it should be the rule absent provisions. In this scenario you should have to make a cut and sign a RB. Tough decisions. But that's the rule. Can't just keep adding a provision every time something new comes up. First you need 3 rb, then you need another ear, etc.

If we are adding provisions are we going to vote on them too?? I'm surely voting against this one as it is already starting to get too "red tape" of a feeling.

Last thing I want to do is join a league and be governed by outdated rules set by people long ago who may not be here. Let alone one that has been addressed behind the scenes.

What other rules you got? Why not just hash them all out now? The rules do more for forum discussion than they do to your league or the game. Headache in my opinion.
Last edited at 4/15/2022 6:16 am

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 10:26 am
MoonPygg wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
I found 5 teams in violation of this rule that the entire league had a chance to vote on. We have had some ownership turnover, so maybe it's time to vote again.

Regardless of outcome, we are still playing under current rules, which means no WR should have any rushing attempts.
i think should have a provision for injuries in backfield. If only one rb is active using wr is okay but only as the backup. Then you might have to rule that a team HAS to have at least 3 RBs on roster because people being what they are will prolly try to circumvent the spirit of a rule like this. Oh well.


RB can play WR and in case of injuries, do what I did with Jeff Lebowski. I drafted him as a WR but made him a RB and he lines up at both spots, at least he did last season.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By trslick
4/15/2022 11:56 am
I carry 4 RB's, if 2 or 3 are out a FB or TE steps in!

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 12:05 pm
trslick wrote:
I carry 4 RB's, if 2 or 3 are out a FB or TE steps in!


Like I said before, slick has used a TE this season to carry the ball, which is perfectly legal.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 12:17 pm
Waitwut wrote:
Isn't this rule a hold over from 4.5?

I don't think I'm a violator in this league, but this rule is outdated since 4.6 addressed the speed/weight issue.

Do people get booted for not respecting this rule or is it also a rule with no teeth as to keep owners on board? Does it matter that 4.6 fixed this or do people just get shivers down their back when they see a WR was RB1 anyways?

If you enforce rules, keep them. If you don't (especially since they are "fixed"), then why not just move on? Why even go in the circles to begin with? Let alone adding provisions to a rule hahhhaha. 3.4C states that by proxy of having 3 RB, two of which have sustained injuries which will sideline for 3 weeks, I am now invoking my right to commence WR to RB1. Can we appeal?? Objection your honor!! Etc.

Who is the police man to enforce t the kangaroo court laws at which to abide? How about just before games that person changes WR to RB and the after game flips back to WR??? Huh, what now?? That is just smart I think and skirts the rules, but again who is monitoring and enforcing??

Moonpygg, you should volunteer to be the officer Barbrady!! All right nothing to see here.


I'll answer these in order.

Yes it's a holdover from 4.5 but this wasn't a 1 man decision, it was put to league vote. In order to rescind the rule, vote in the current poll here https://usflwfl.myfootballnow.com/forums/1/2446?page=1

Second point isn't really a question, but my answer is a question. Did it really fix the speed/weight issues? There are some DB only defenses in CJ's no rules league and they are quite successful so I'm not sure it's fixed.

Yes people can be booted for violating this rule but I don't expect to have to do that. I would only boot someone for ignoring me and the rule, continuing to do it anyway. The responses I have received from the violators is either sorry it was an oversight, or I did it for depth. They say they'll fix it, so that's all there is to that.

As to the second part of that paragraph, I can't answer for everybody and personally idc if people use WR at RB, except the fact the majority of the league didn't want it when we voted. Until popular opinion in this league switches, the rule stays. I'm providing an opportunity to change it for next season.

After that you kind of went off the rail a bit.

Last paragraph, I am the policeman who enforces the rules the kangaroo court of a league voted on. There will be no flipping back and forth. If someone has a WR they also want carrying the ball, make him a RB and still line him up at WR too. I do that with my RB Jeff Lebowski specifically due to this rule being in place.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
4/15/2022 12:38 pm
Concerning the voting, there is no hard and fast rule for determining the outcome. If it ends up say 12-11 in favor of rescinding the rule, the rule will stay. To change a rule, I prefer overwhelming support, as opposed to a slim majority. 14-9 would be close to changing the rule while 15-8 would change it since it's about 2:1.

I would prefer 32 votes but that's probably unrealistic. If votes are lagging, I'll PM everybody. We have time to vote since any change would not happen this season.

Re: Should WR be allowed to carry the ball?

By Waitwut
4/15/2022 12:54 pm
I think playing a defense full of DBs is for the essence of speed undoubtedly. I will look at that but would only think of that as an exploit if some type of those players are useless with positional stats. The RB to WR transition is only 19 pounds and at most +3 speed variation. On defense the only comparison would be safety to CB at 16 pounds or +2 speed - assuming +1 speed for every ~7 lbs. WLB to CB would be 40+ lbs from 237 to 191 - if a player is a good linebacker but with middling speed switching that player to a secondary position for the speed is a wise staregical decision, to me.

To be honest, in 4.6 you can just find fast people at RB with low to no positional value outside of their speed and do pretty well.