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Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
1/27/2022 3:21 am
CrazyRazor wrote:
You have no idea why I'm putting things in bold?? REALLY??

Didn't Smirt211 ask if he could have a WR catching passes out of the backfield?? That's how I took it. Maybe I misunderstood. I don't think I did, though.


OK, well I do remember seeing that when I first woke up and thinking "why in the **** is he asking about that when I want to know about TE?" I guess I kind of forgot about it after that because I thought the whole WR in the backfield thing had already been put to rest. I thought no WR running the ball was clear enough but I guess not. It makes no sense to me why I would even consider allowing a WR to run RB routes if I'm not allowing them to run the ball. I guess that's why I never gave this question a second thought.

I apologize if you or anyone else thought this was on the table as I thought it was behind us already. To be perfectly clear, WR are not to be in a RB or FB position for any play.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By CrazyRazor
1/27/2022 3:31 am
I knew it wasn't on the table. I wanted Smirt211 to understand it was absolutely f'ing not on the table. He's clearly stated he'll exploit any & every loophole that he can possibly find in any rule that's laid down. That's why he made the statement of "how you worded the rule". If we had let it go as - 'a WR can't carry the ball as a RB" - then he would've pointed out that the WR wasn't carrying the ball. He was catching it. Which is utter bullshit, based on a technicality.

Unfortunately, that's how he plays & we all know it. So we need to be extremely precise in wording when it comes to rules.
Last edited at 1/27/2022 3:35 am

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By CrazyRazor
1/27/2022 3:32 am
As for the TE playing in the backfield - I have no issue with that.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
1/27/2022 3:37 am
CrazyRazor wrote:
I knew it wasn't on the table. I wanted Smirt211 to understand it was absolutely f'ing not on the table. He's clearly stated he'll exploit any & every loophole that he can possibly find in any rule that's laid down. That's why he made the statement of "how you worded the rule". If we had let it go as - 'a WR can't carry the ball as a RB" - then he would've pointed out that the WR wasn't carrying the ball. He was catching it. Which is utter bullshit, based in a technicality.


He did ask though, gotta give him credit for that. Honestly how would I even catch someone who did this? It's easy to check for WR running the ball, just check the rushing leaderboard.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By Smirt211
1/27/2022 4:59 am
I was going through each over-ride screen at the time and I know the main purpose of the rule is to keep the CB speed and WR speed out from rushing the ball. I do recall secondary complaints about a WR @ RB being able to out-run LBs on the RB based routes. I wanted to check, though if I could put my elite WR weapon on a 212 medium pass route from out of the backfield or real selective up to 2-3 product placements. Crazy Razor went Donkey Kong with the bold, which I found funny at such anger when I didn't initiate anything, and I dropped the idea. I'm getting everyone's best, therefore, I wanted to be in complete knowledge on the rules of engagement in battle so I'm not caught with a lightning bolt strategy from out of the backfield and I'm going toot toot toot with a steamrolling FB in comparison. :)

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
1/27/2022 5:01 am
Smirt211 wrote:
I was going through each over-ride screen at the time and I know the main purpose of the rule is to keep the CB speed and WR speed out from rushing the ball. I do recall secondary complaints about a WR @ RB being able to out-run LBs on the RB based routes. I wanted to check, though if I could put my elite WR weapon on a 212 medium pass route from out of the backfield or real selective up to 2-3 product placements. Crazy Razor went Donkey Kong with the bold, which I found funny at such anger when I didn't initiate anything, and I dropped the idea. I'm getting everyone's best, therefore, I wanted to be in complete knowledge on the rules of engagement in battle so I'm not caught with a lightning bolt strategy from out of the backfield and I'm going toot toot toot with a steamrolling FB in comparison. :)



Like I said earlier, you asked first so it's not like you were being sneaky.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By Smirt211
1/27/2022 5:07 am
TE running the ball.

The sole purpose is a wear down of the opposing defense and it has to be a stream-lined usage. It's a strategy, not an exploit. I've tried running with OL in a carefully, crafted way but I didn't really see it working. Like setherick stated a TE won't speed blast and attain mega yards, only thing you can do with a TE @ RB is a weave-in strategy to wear down opposing defenders. Deep thinking strategy to differentiate from the (wolf) pack.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
1/27/2022 5:14 am
Smirt211 wrote:
TE running the ball.

The sole purpose is a wear down of the opposing defense and it has to be a stream-lined usage. It's a strategy, not an exploit. I've tried running with OL in a carefully, crafted way but I didn't really see it working. Like setherick stated a TE won't speed blast and attain mega yards, only thing you can do with a TE @ RB is a weave-in strategy to wear down opposing defenders. Deep thinking strategy to differentiate from the (wolf) pack.


The sole purpose of the rule is to keep light weight players from heavier positions and TEs can already play FB. FB have always been able to run the ball so by extension TE can too. Nobody has stated any objections to it, even CR said he's fine with it.

I guess technically there has never been a rule against using TE at RB and it doesn't violate the spirit of the no WR at RB rule so I'm not actually changing rules midstream. Just interpreting an existing rule.

If anyone has any objections to using a TE at RB, please say so ASAP, otherwise it's a go.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By CrazyRazor
1/27/2022 1:41 pm
I do give him credit for asking. In my opinion, your response wasn't clear enough. I put mine in bold, so it was understood what size players were not permitted to line up in the backfield, whether to run or catch.

I'm not mad. I wanted it to be very clear what we allowed here.

Re: Should TE be allowed to run the ball?

By CrazyRazor
1/27/2022 9:58 pm
raidergreg69 wrote:
Honestly how would I even catch someone who did this? It's easy to check for WR running the ball, just check the rushing leaderboard.


You'd have to watch the game film. It's the only way I know of. I'm not asking anyone to do that. That's why I wanted the point made that it would not be acceptable behavior here.