GrandadB wrote:
This is very different from the 'case' that the OP was making. In fact, he didn't really make a case, he gave a very vague description of a Trade with no context and flaws in the description.
Good point Brrexki, I would like to be able to review a trade in depth to see what kind of value was given for a 1st or 2nd rounder, especially picks in the top ten, which have been traded.
How many 80 and 90 rated players do you have on your rosters? Denver, which you have had for 3 yrs has 12 and 6 (3 rookies! great draft!), Cleveland, which is second season for you?, has 6 and 6 (3 are rookies!, nice draft again!!, 2 are 2 yr, and 1 3yr) and Blings average is over 20 that are 80+ and several 90's. He is not the only one, just the one that stood out being in several leagues and dominating each. Basically over twice the number of 80/90 players on the "average" team that does not win its division. Some teams have only 1 90 and 3 or 4 80s, and their won/loss records reflect that, they lose.
It looks like you have figured out how to get 3 first round draft picks also. So that makes it more understandable why you would defend the ability to do so.
I have 16 Games on Denver, I took them over in the 2022 Play Offs, so I've had 2 Drafts with them.
2022 I traded away a 1st and 2nd Rounder for a very good DT, which allowed my Very Good DTs to move to DE. The problem is, I didn't know the game very well, my DTs were Slow, so they weren't good DEs.
So I traded away the DT I had traded for to try to recoup. I also moved an Ineffective but Highly Rated QB... apparently I can't craft an Offense for QBs yet (which is what Cleveland is about in League 72, trying to build a Passing Offense).
But let's look at Phillip Bolden, Samuel Shepard and Vasquez... those Rookie 90's. I Drafted Shepard with the 5th Overall, Bolden was my Target but was taken 4th. So... I traded guys to get more Picks, and AFTER the Draft I made Offers for Bolden and Shepard (and Bradford, but that was declined and I don't have the ammo to get him. Well, I do, but I'm not selling off the rest of my Drafts).
I worked my *** off to get those Players, and the Teams that gave them to me have Multiple 1st and 2nd Round Picks for them.
I've done this in 2 Off Seasons (next is building the Offense, which needs some OL Love before I put in Skill Positions).
Now, how long has Bling been playing? With his experience he should be able to turn Rosters much faster than me. And he won't make mistakes like my first Big Trade for that DT (who, to be fair, is a Stud... KC didn't fleece me, I sent them the Trade. I was just thinking of MFN in Real Life Terms, so he wasn't the force I though he'd be... and I got about the same value out of moving him as I spent getting him).
This is what I'm saying, in my deals I've given High Picks... but I gave them either for Young Beasts (the 94 DT in who was 26) or for High Rookies, like Bolden and Vasquez. Velesquez? Big Daddy V. That's what I call him, much easier to write. :D I've also flipped some Solid Vets for High Picks, because I'm on a Youth Movement.
So I'm asking to be shown where these Deals you are talking about were not Fair for BOTH Teams, because that is the ONLY THING that matters about a Trade, that it's reasonable for both sides.
You cite Bling... what did Bling give up for what ever Picks he acquired?
I'm begging for an example, so that I can see for myself if it was a 'fair trade' or not (and even then, that would be with out Context, I'd need to know what both sides were thinking when agreeing to the terms).
You can view all Accepted Trades, they are put into the League Forum. So please, look it over and show me a 'Fleece Job Trade'.
The point I'm making is that it requires having Talented Players to GET those Draft Picks Traded TO you... they aren't just gift wrapped for free.
Being able to idenfity Talent in the Draft is a Skill, apparently Bing is good at it. We had a Top 5 Pick (#2 Overall) get DESTROYED in Camp... sometimes you miss. All 3 of the LBs (Bolden was an LB I moved to DE) dropped in Camp... but still over 90's so I'm good with it. Still worth Top 5 Picks to get.
Some players **** at the Draft... and would rather a Vet they can count on than a Pick that loses 10 Points in Camp and goes from 100 Speed to 70 Speed at CB.
You have to look at HOW teams are built in PERSPECTIVE.