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I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
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raidergreg69
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by raidergreg69 @ 6/02/2021 1:41 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
I've given this plenty of thought over the years and never come up with a legimate solution. Requiring owners to have players play their true position like QB, K and P is enforceable but no matter what steps you take, there are simply too many ways to tank.


Looking at Arizona's roster.....they couldn't win if they wanted too. They have a QB and RB on offense and 1 CB and a WLB on defense......thats all folks!

Rialto is a good owner but even he isn't capable of getting a win out of that mess!!


Even more reason to play their best QB Carmichael. He could be gaining play knowledge and experience for when the roster can win.
Cjfred68
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by Cjfred68 @ 6/02/2021 1:50 pm
raidergreg69 wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
I've given this plenty of thought over the years and never come up with a legimate solution. Requiring owners to have players play their true position like QB, K and P is enforceable but no matter what steps you take, there are simply too many ways to tank.


Looking at Arizona's roster.....they couldn't win if they wanted too. They have a QB and RB on offense and 1 CB and a WLB on defense......thats all folks!

Rialto is a good owner but even he isn't capable of getting a win out of that mess!!


Even more reason to play their best QB Carmichael. He could be gaining play knowledge and experience for when the roster can win.

I agree 100%...He doesn't need to tank....playing his best players will still lead to losing for 2-3 more seasons.

He is playing a K, that he converted from whatever position the player originally was. His best position by my weights is FS but even there he sacks.

Tanking like that is lazy....the real challenge would be actually trying to win with that broken roster.
raidergreg69
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by raidergreg69 @ 6/02/2021 1:55 pm
Anyone want to bet on the over/under on how many points Portland puts on them?

Over/Under 90

I would take the over, I'm thinking 101-0
setherick
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by setherick @ 6/02/2021 2:58 pm
raidergreg69 wrote:
Anyone want to bet on the over/under on how many points Portland puts on them?

Over/Under 90

I would take the over, I'm thinking 101-0

The play vs play of the game makes it hard to score 100 unless your opponent is constantly overusing plays that you can pick off by running the unholy trinity of slant plays.
Cjfred68
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by Cjfred68 @ 6/02/2021 5:18 pm
setherick wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
Anyone want to bet on the over/under on how many points Portland puts on them?

Over/Under 90

I would take the over, I'm thinking 101-0

The play vs play of the game makes it hard to score 100 unless your opponent is constantly overusing plays that you can pick off by running the unholy trinity of slant plays.

Very difficult to score 100....closest I came.

https://fantasy-league.myfootballnow.com/box/4037

...and only 1 turnover
Last edited 6/02/2021 9:19 pm
setherick
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by setherick @ 6/02/2021 9:08 pm
Cjfred68 wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
I've given this plenty of thought over the years and never come up with a legimate solution. Requiring owners to have players play their true position like QB, K and P is enforceable but no matter what steps you take, there are simply too many ways to tank.


Looking at Arizona's roster.....they couldn't win if they wanted too. They have a QB and RB on offense and 1 CB and a WLB on defense......thats all folks!

Rialto is a good owner but even he isn't capable of getting a win out of that mess!!


Even more reason to play their best QB Carmichael. He could be gaining play knowledge and experience for when the roster can win.

I agree 100%...He doesn't need to tank....playing his best players will still lead to losing for 2-3 more seasons.

He is playing a K, that he converted from whatever position the player originally was. His best position by my weights is FS but even there he sacks.

Tanking like that is lazy....the real challenge would be actually trying to win with that broken roster.

I don't know what you two are talking about. I could have made the playoffs in my division with that roster...
raidergreg69
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by raidergreg69 @ 6/03/2021 10:54 am
setherick wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
Cjfred68 wrote:
I've given this plenty of thought over the years and never come up with a legimate solution. Requiring owners to have players play their true position like QB, K and P is enforceable but no matter what steps you take, there are simply too many ways to tank.


Looking at Arizona's roster.....they couldn't win if they wanted too. They have a QB and RB on offense and 1 CB and a WLB on defense......thats all folks!

Rialto is a good owner but even he isn't capable of getting a win out of that mess!!


Even more reason to play their best QB Carmichael. He could be gaining play knowledge and experience for when the roster can win.

I agree 100%...He doesn't need to tank....playing his best players will still lead to losing for 2-3 more seasons.

He is playing a K, that he converted from whatever position the player originally was. His best position by my weights is FS but even there he sacks.

Tanking like that is lazy....the real challenge would be actually trying to win with that broken roster.

I don't know what you two are talking about. I could have made the playoffs in my division with that roster...

You and maybe Bryson or IOT, maybe a few others.
setherick
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by setherick @ 6/04/2021 9:38 am
After scouting and playing them, there is no reason why Arizona isn't a 9-10 win team this year:

1) The defensive game plan is sound. It takes away all of the big play passing plays and makes you balance your run/pass attack.

2) The defense is strong at the right positions: WLB and CB2 especially. And it's strong enough in the rest of the secondary and DL to make a team work.

The defense alone would win 6 games in this league. Playing the rookie QB and auto-piloting an all slant all the time offense would have won at least 3-4 more.
Cjfred68
Re: I Need Help Making an Anti Tanking Rule
by Cjfred68 @ 6/04/2021 10:18 am
Arizona is tanking now but did compete in the 1st half of the season.

Week 1

Storm 17 Wranglers 0

Arizona is under a massive rebuild after an aggressive free agency/draft but they get tested right out of the gate, facing our defending champs Portland. The Storm defense picked up right where they left off last season, shutting out the Wranglers and holding them to just 104 yards. Portland's offense wasn't great today, but they did more than enough to win the game, led by Melvin Driggers' 227 passing yards and 2 TDs. The Storm used a RBBC that ran for 142 yards and the receiving stats were spread out as well. The Wranglers might have been shutout, but they didn't turn the ball over and they only allowed 17 points. Last season, Arizona allowed Portland to score 55 the first time and 31 in the rematch, so progress at least.


Week 5

Express 12 Wranglers 6

Arizona scored first and last in this kicking contest, but Los Angeles scored 4 FGs in between to win the game 12-6 over the Wranglers. Arizona converted 7/16 3rd downs and held the Express to 1/11 but 2 late INTs did not help the cause. Los Angeles QB David Tavarez completed 23/26 for 237 yards with 0 TD and 0 INT. 

Week 8

Invaders 7 Wranglers 0

This was probably Arizona's best game of the season as the Wranglers held Oakland to 217 total yards, 2/14 on 3rd downs and sacking Andrew Moreno 3 times. Offensively they only had 198 yards, converting 2/16 3rd downs, but more importantly they did not turn the ball over and allowed just 1 sack. Baby steps. Late in the 3rd, Moreno found Nelson Martinez for a 43 yard TD which proved to be the only points of the game as Oakland wins 7-0. Martinez finished with 4 catches, 125 yards and that TD.

Week 9

Showboats 10 Wranglers 3

Arizona might be winless now, but the team is playing much better, especially on defense. They have only given up 33 points the last 3 weeks, and while Oakland is also struggling offensively, they held Denver to 16 and Memphis to 10 and those teams average more than 20 ppg. Unfortunately for the Wranglers, their offense only scores 3 points a game and struggles to move the ball. This game was tied at 3 after the first quarter and Norman Maldonado's 2nd qtr 72 yard TD pass to Mark Glenn stood up, as Memphis escapes with a narrow 10-3 win. Arizona RB Elias Williams didn't find much running room but he did gain 122 yards on 4 receptions, and looks like a potential player to build an offense around.
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