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Cjfred68
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by Cjfred68 @ 8/02/2019 1:44 am
raidergreg69 wrote:
I didn't want to bring up my team because I don't want it to look like I'm pimping my guys. The only "award" I care about other than World Bowls will be getting James Lockette in our Hall of Fame whenever he retires.

It's just a general point that in my opinion, high tackle numbers aren't a measure of how good a player is. It likely means he's the best player on a bad defense who always has to cover up the mistakes of his teammates.

When I vote, I generally look at INT's and catch %.

Agreed....In my XFL league, I have a thread which tracks single game, single season and alltime career stats for everything from passing to kicking to defense.

The top single season record for tackles after 8 full seasons is from a 3-13 team with the 31st ranked defense (153 tackles).

2nd alltime is from an 0-16 team with the 24th ranked defense (142 tackles)

3rd alltime is from a 4-11-1 team with the 25th ranked defense (139 tackles)

4th alltime is from a 3-13 team with the 28th ranked defense (137 tackles)

5th alltime is from a 6-10 team with the 22nd ranked defense (136 tackles)
greyghost1225
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by greyghost1225 @ 8/02/2019 2:18 am
Voted
Hellbringer
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by Hellbringer @ 8/02/2019 3:53 am
Voted
Jaybo911
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by Jaybo911 @ 8/02/2019 8:12 pm
Voted
CrazyRazor
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by CrazyRazor @ 8/02/2019 11:18 pm
Voted-ed-ed-ed
tribewriter
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by tribewriter @ 8/03/2019 12:08 pm
raidergreg69 wrote:
I didn't want to bring up my team because I don't want it to look like I'm pimping my guys. The only "award" I care about other than World Bowls will be getting James Lockette in our Hall of Fame whenever he retires.

It's just a general point that in my opinion, high tackle numbers aren't a measure of how good a player is. It likely means he's the best player on a bad defense who always has to cover up the mistakes of his teammates.

When I vote, I generally look at INT's and catch %.

The rest of the league must agree with your because Tampa Bay SLB Grisby, who made 138 tackles, is nowhere near the top of the leader board with only a few hours remaining.
raidergreg69
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by raidergreg69 @ 8/03/2019 12:49 pm
tribewriter wrote:
raidergreg69 wrote:
I didn't want to bring up my team because I don't want it to look like I'm pimping my guys. The only "award" I care about other than World Bowls will be getting James Lockette in our Hall of Fame whenever he retires.

It's just a general point that in my opinion, high tackle numbers aren't a measure of how good a player is. It likely means he's the best player on a bad defense who always has to cover up the mistakes of his teammates.

When I vote, I generally look at INT's and catch %.

The rest of the league must agree with your because Tampa Bay SLB Grisby, who made 138 tackles, is nowhere near the top of the leader board with only a few hours remaining.

Well Grisby had zero INT, zero sacks, and only 3 knockdowns in 73 passes defensed with basically 70% catch allowed (69.9 actually). There were other LB's with better stats imo.
OffensiveTaco
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by OffensiveTaco @ 8/03/2019 11:13 pm
Voted
Mcarovil
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by Mcarovil @ 8/04/2019 7:48 am
Are you still upset by boy Grisby broke the tackle record last year and again lead the league this year ? :)

raidergreg69 wrote:
In the middle of voting now, and I just want to make a point I may have made before.

IMO high tackle totals are overrated. The whole goal of a defense is to get off the field as quickly as possible, so I really wish tackles could be broken down like catch allowed %.

For example: (made up stats)

MLB A: 120 tackles, 1 INT, 50.8% catch allowed in 1200 total defensive plays

MLB B: 95 tackles 1 INT 50.8% catch allowed in 850 defensive plays

Without the information of total plays available, player A likely will get more votes even though player B was a more efficient tackler.
raidergreg69
Re: 1984 All-Pro Ballot is Up!
by raidergreg69 @ 8/04/2019 11:33 pm
Mcarovil wrote:
Are you still upset by boy Grisby broke the tackle record last year and again lead the league this year ? :)

raidergreg69 wrote:
In the middle of voting now, and I just want to make a point I may have made before.

IMO high tackle totals are overrated. The whole goal of a defense is to get off the field as quickly as possible, so I really wish tackles could be broken down like catch allowed %.

For example: (made up stats)

MLB A: 120 tackles, 1 INT, 50.8% catch allowed in 1200 total defensive plays

MLB B: 95 tackles 1 INT 50.8% catch allowed in 850 defensive plays

Without the information of total plays available, player A likely will get more votes even though player B was a more efficient tackler.

Still upset? That would imply I was upset in the first place, which I wasn't. I didn't even know who had the tackles record, nor do I care. I'm just glad it's not a Generals player with that record because that would mean my defense is on the field way too long.