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Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By martinwarnett
7/05/2020 9:18 am
When a player progress declines, does that decline affect all positions or only individual positions?

Example; QB declines -2/-2. What happens if you then change his position to RB? Does he consistently decline as per QB decline - ie once player declines it affects all player positions or can the player decline at a different rate or even improve when becoming RB?

Re: Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
7/05/2020 7:37 pm
I know the rates differ based on position. You can check yourself by doing a player search for the player you're curious about and checking his player card for each position.

Re: Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By raidergreg69 - League Admin
7/05/2020 7:40 pm
For example...



Re: Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By setherick
7/06/2020 7:00 am
martinwarnett wrote:
When a player progress declines, does that decline affect all positions or only individual positions?

Example; QB declines -2/-2. What happens if you then change his position to RB? Does he consistently decline as per QB decline - ie once player declines it affects all player positions or can the player decline at a different rate or even improve when becoming RB?


It depends. Not all attributes boom or bust when a player booms/busts. So you could have a QB that busts hard on passing accuracy, but his Ball Carry and Avoid Fumble don't bust. This means he's still an adequate RB. (Although, I'm almost certain if you switch his position, those skills will not improve any longer because of how busting works with key attributes, but I haven't ever seen it confirmed.)

You see this a lot with defensive players. DBs will bust in their receiving skills and tackle, but still have decent pass rushing skills. Or LBs will bust in everything except certain coverage skills.

Re: Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By martinwarnett
7/06/2020 9:34 am
Makes sense - decline in an attribute of say -2, can affect reduction viewed per position - after all, pass accuracy would have little relevance to a LT.

Not explaining myself well, tbh - if a player is moved to a different position, do stats decline as they would if still a QB or could player stats improve with being moved to a new position?

QB - stats declining, bored at 2 yard passes... move to RB, overjoyed at new position so starts working harder and improving...

Re: Progression by position - blanket or individual?

By raymattison21
7/06/2020 10:53 am
martinwarnett wrote:
Makes sense - decline in an attribute of say -2, can affect reduction viewed per position - after all, pass accuracy would have little relevance to a LT.

Not explaining myself well, tbh - if a player is moved to a different position, do stats decline as they would if still a QB or could player stats improve with being moved to a new position?

QB - stats declining, bored at 2 yard passes... move to RB, overjoyed at new position so starts working harder and improving...


https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/player/16003

This guy came overweight as a TE aquired to play RB. Low volatility busted but his loss of weight in pounds due to the position change caused his overall to read as a positive now seasons later.

You can see his first seasons overal go up a down(if you look at the red line on the graph). Then it stablizes for the later seasons.

Well, if your using my weights as IDK what yours will look the same, because you will need low volatility player and weights that favor speed alot in comparison to the ones that rise and fall.

His carry and ball control most likely got more favorable rolls at growth periods, but the loss of 50 pounds or gaining seven points of speed muddled or hid the fact he was a bust initially.

Players with higher volatility will bust further and you will not see these final +1/-1 discrepancies over the course of a craeer. Well, unless you got real creative with weights.

For me it like seth said....switching a 280 pounder to LBer and he busts worse in non relevant key ratings is stil a good later draft pick for me,cause i am counting on him losing weight and gaining crucial speed.

A low volatility DB switched to DL will act the same as long as he has the rating to paly DL atfer busting a little. 58/96 run defense and 13/96 man coverage will bust different at that first camp.

Playing with these numbers makes things look different, but its the same boom bust rolls/ preplayer generation making a final set of hard numbers. Only low volatility players will see a rare and minimal up and down trend after the intial camp.

So , this might be a creative yes due to the version we play on, but i would say a simple answer is no changing a postion does nothing for development....except the positional coaches...they are sopposed to do something like OL doesnt train pass accuracy. So, you want you QB coach coaching him at camp. Stuff like that is coded.

I think JDB could tweak the game to do as you say...... with a substantial change in player development if a position was change. It might be a good idea to curb the postion changes in the first place. Or turn a busted player back into a star after a position switch.